Homosexuality in the eyes of a Christian. Does Jesus make mistakes?

Where do you place your identity, and what or who are you ultimately serving? For homosexuals, do you identify yourself as someone who is gay? Or do you find your identity in Jesus Christ alone? In this article, I will be discussing the Christian perspective of homosexuality, and then I will conclude back to my questions about IDENTITY.


What’s the standard, and who sets it?

We (Christians) do NOT hate homosexuals. In fact, our feelings towards homosexuals are far from any form of hatred. We understand why people may feel this way, but the real cause of that misconception is due to the lack of perspective and a misunderstood, self-created standard. In a nutshell, here is the perspective:

We serve a God who is beyond any perfection that we can comprehend. Our God is so perfect, holy, and righteous that we can’t even have a standard for that sort of being. Trying to understand God and his holiness is like trying to explain to ants how the internet works. We could possibly make a scale from 1-10, and ask how perfect God is on that scale, however, God would not even stoop so low to be a 10. God wouldn’t even stoop so low to be an 11… or 12… or even a 100. God’s perfection is so incredible that it is beyond our ability to even come close to comprehending.

“For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.” (Romans 3:23) 

The Bible says that every person that has ever existed has sinned and has fallen short of God’s standard. Jesus said,

“Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.” (Matthew 11:11)

In other words, even when someone seems like an amazing person here on earth, who loves to serve and care for others… even that person would be worse than the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven. The problem is that people try creating fairness, equality, and love according their own human standard instead of looking to the standard of a Holy God. They have a view of the world through their own eyes and what they think is right and wrong instead of opening their eyes to the idea that there is a true standard. With that said, many pro-gay Christians don’t like the true standard of God, so they slowly begin to justify their beliefs and begin to apply those beliefs to their own personal view of God. They say,

“Well, God wouldn’t make me like this, and God wouldn’t want me to struggle. He loves me for who I am, so this must be how he made me. He wants me to be happy! It’s the main stream Christians who have it wrong, and they are being hateful when attempting to change who God made me to be.”

There are so many things wrong with that statement, I don’t even know where to begin. *First of all, God’s desire is not always to make you happy. Instead, he desires a genuine relationship with you, but that only happens when obeying his commands and understanding who he truly is; not understanding who we want him to be. Personally, I don’t like the idea of an eternal Hell, but I’m not God, and I have absolutely no right to call the shots. I would encourage you to read the book of Job. Job was a man who’s life was ruined by the attacks of Satan. Everything was taken from him and he, himself was suffering from nasty infections. However, he remained faithful to God. Yes, he was broken and was angry towards God at times, but he never let his feelings and emotions form a false idea of who the true God is.

*Second, it’s not who God made you to be. God made you to be in relationship with him, but that doesn’t mean that we won’t have major struggles in our lives. Jesus himself told us that we would suffer in the world but that we shouldn’t worry because He has overcome the world. It’s okay to be broken. In fact, our brokenness is what brings us closer to God because. In our brokenness, we are allowed to see the goodness of our Heavenly Father. If you are struggling with understanding this idea, then maybe you have either – never truly been broken, or you have given up and turned your brokenness into a sin. In our brokenness, we have a choice to allow that to become sin, or to give your brokenness to God and overcome it!

*Third, brokenness is not a sin, and it’s NOT a sin to have homosexual tendencies and temptations. It’s not a sin to be tempted. It’s ONLY a sin when we turn those temptations into an action. Jesus was tempted in every way, yet without sinning because he never acted upon those temptations. Having homosexual feelings is not a sin. It’s a state of being broken, just like an alcoholic or a porn addict may feel broken due to the overwhelming urge to “act”. But again, what are you going to do with your brokenness? Are you going to give it to God? That doesn’t mean that you have to be perfect. It’s ultimately between you and God because He knows your heart. However, this can be dangerous because like I said before, it’s easy to slowly justify your convictions and beliefs which will cause a false idea of who God is and what he loves and hates. Yes, God hates, but it’s a righteous kind of hate. It’s not the same selfish and prideful hate that humans have. Because God is so perfect, he has to hate what is evil. God knows your heart, and you can’t lie to him. He knows if you are actually trying to give these desires up and follow him, or if you are trying to hide them and tell yourself that it’s okay. To follow Jesus means to carry your own cross. Jesus said that we must take up our cross and follow him.

Take up your cross and follow Me” means being willing to die in order to follow Jesus. This is called “dying to self.” It’s a call to absolute surrender. After each time Jesus commanded cross bearing, He said, “For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?” (Luke 9:24-25). Although the call is tough, the reward is matchless.

Following Jesus is easy when life runs smoothly; our true commitment to Him is revealed during trials. Jesus assured us that trials will come to His followers (John 16:33). Discipleship demands sacrifice, and Jesus never hid that cost.

In Luke 9:57-62, three people seemed willing to follow Jesus. When Jesus questioned them further, their commitment was half-hearted at best. They failed to count the cost of following Him. None was willing to take up his cross and crucify upon it his own interests. …Truly, they were not able to put to death their own ideas, plans, and desires, and exchange them for His.

How many people would respond to an altar call that went, “Come follow Jesus, and you may face the loss of friends, family, reputation, career, and possibly even your life”? The number of false converts would likely decrease! Such a call is what Jesus meant when He said, “Take up your cross and follow Me.”

If you wonder if you are ready to take up your cross, consider these questions:
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing some of your closest friends?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means alienation from your family?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means the loss of your reputation?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing your job?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing your life?

In some places of the world, these consequences are reality. But notice the questions are phrased, “Are you willing?” Following Jesus doesn’t necessarily mean all these things will happen to you, but are you willing to take up your cross? If there comes a point in your life where you are faced with a choice—Jesus or the comforts of this life—which will you choose?

Commitment to Christ means taking up your cross daily, giving up your hopes, dreams, possessions, even your very life if need be for the cause of Christ. Only if you willingly take up your cross may you be called His disciple (Luke 14:27). The reward is worth the price. Jesus followed His call of death to self (“Take up your cross and follow Me”) with the gift of life in Christ: “For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it” (Matthew 16:25-26).

If you choose not to give up your desires, then God will give you over to your own lusts and desires. Romans 1:24-31 tells us…

“Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.”

With that said, it’s still possible for you to “believe” that you have a genuine relationship with God, when – in fact – you have actually been given over to your own selfish and idolatrous desires.

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'”
Matthew 7:21-23

What an awful day that would be! Hopefully, you are starting to see why Christians are trying to point Pro-Gay Christians as well as all homosexuals towards the truth. If we truly believe that you will be rejected by God someday, the most loving thing we could do is tell you what you are doing is wrong. We simply cannot believe that it is okay. We love you, but’s it’s wrong. And if you have a problem it, don’t talk to us… Talk to the Big Man. We understand how it could come off as hateful and judgmental, but this all goes back to what I said at the beginning; it’s the result of not knowing God, and not having the right perspective of where we are coming from.

*Fourth, if God didn’t allow us to struggle, then it would be impossible for us to have a relationship with him, and there would be no point of heaven.

If everything were already perfect, then we wouldn’t seek after God because we would have no reason to. Likewise, if everything on earth were just a perfect as heaven, then what would be the point of having the reward of Heaven?

It’s in our brokenness when we begin to seek God, if we choose to. The New Heaven and the New Earth will be a place of perfection. A place where there is no suffering or pain. This is a place where we will walk with God forever and ever. However, those who will walk with God forever and ever will only be those who are truly walking with God today in the midst of our sufferings. Do you have a desire to walk with God for eternity?

Relationships are formed in the valley. You don’t have a true relationship with someone until you have been through tough times together and you have been able to put your trust in that person. A true relationship is formed when you recognize what “sacrifice” really means. Try to see how many marriages work out when there is only one person calling all the shots. What would it look like if the man sat at home all day and did nothing, but benefited from what the wife sowed? Eventually, the wife would get tired and tell him to get a job, make dinner every once in a while, clean up, take care of the kids, help pay the bills, etc. Unfortunately, the happens today too often, and it’s not a real relationship. People expect Jesus to do the work while they do nothing, yet expect to reap the benefits.

A relationship is between two people, specifically between a man and a woman, sacrificing for one another without the expectation to have the favor returned. That’s not according to me; that’s how God designed it. That relationship must work two ways, and it must be mutual in order for it to be called a relationship. Jesus sacrificed himself in order to bring us back to relationship with God. He did his part which he did not have to do, but now we must do our part in order for it to be a relationship. For many Christians, it’s only a one way relationship because they thirst after our own desires. But Jesus calls us to thirst for him, and not for earthly things or even who we want him to be for our own benefit. This isn’t a part time job either. It’s a lifestyle, and you are called to be a “living sacrifice”.

Are you willing to give up your homosexual desires and follow the true Jesus? I know the desire is strong, but I could ask anyone a similar question…

(Are you willing to give up alcohol to follow Jesus? Are you willing to give up porn to follow Jesus? Are you willing to give up gambling to follow Jesus? I’m not asking you to be perfect, because you will fail. Rather, I’m simply asking if you are willing.)

 


A Conversation with a homosexual friend…

Recently, I have had a few conversations with an old friend from college who struggled with homosexuality. Now, she has changed her name and considers herself to be a man. She still knows it’s wrong but has wired her brain to believe that this is her. In a conversation with her several months ago, I asked her a few questions about he beliefs and why she is living this sort of lifestyle. She said,

“My beliefs never changed, just my actions. My days are miserable and I often feel stuck. My pursuit of transgenderism is genuine but I know those feelings are lies.”

Now, she is married to her “wife” and continues to dig deeper into those lies. Eventually, I’m not even sure if she will consider those feelings to be lies anymore. She is around “bad company that corrupts moral character.” I have been as loving as can towards her, but I eventually had to call her out on her lies because I genuinely cared for her. Her response was,

“I don’t understand how you love. I can tell your words are filled with the love of Christ but I can’t wrap my head around it. Everyone else has given up and walked away yet here you are spontaneously fighting for me. I’m not worthy of Christ or salvation or repentance…. the church shies away from people like me. My challenge comes from the feeling of shortcoming the lord. I can’t immediately fulfill the calling he’s placed on my life so I feel unworthy or pursuing it.”

She was missing the point. The fact is that NO ONE ON EARTH IS WORTHY!!! If we were worthy, then we wouldn’t need the cross! Remember Romans 3:23? Not one person is innocent, and we have all failed to meet God’s perfect standard. Because of the love of Christ, we are able to bring our unworthiness to the cross in exchange of worthiness.

“But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, evenwhen we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved”— Ephesians 2:4-5

When we truly know Christ, we know what love really is, and not some false idea of love that we have made.

“Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.”  1 John 4:7-8

But one might say, “why would God create us to meet his perfect standard, if he knew it would be impossible?” I would simply reply with Romans 5:8:

“But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, ‘Why have you made me like this?'”

In other words, what gives you the right to tell God how to do his job? He is a perfect God who cannot allow sin to go unpunished. So, perhaps that better question would be, “how would a perfect God create a standard that is not perfect?” It would cause him to be imperfect because he would have to allow sin to go unpunished, which is not perfectly JUST.

The entire reason why Jesus was sacrificed was because of sin. Justice was served when The Father sent his Son to die in our place; forgiveness couldn’t have happened any other way. Throughout history, God commanded his people to sacrifice animals for a temporal forgiveness of sins. Blood HAD to be shed for the forgiveness of sins, and God could not forgive without a sacrifice taking place because true justice would not be served.

Similarly, a murderer has to serve a just punishment. JUSTICE IS REQUIRED! It would be wrong to say the the criminal, “you are forgiven, so you don’t need to go to prison.” It would also be wrong for God to say, “you are forgiven, so you don’t need to pay any consequences.” However, God had a plan to forgive once and for all. However, no mere creature could possibly be sacrificed for all of mankind because all have sinned, and no one is worthy enough. So, since the only person who was qualified to be perfect enough to forgive all of mankind was God, God himself became flesh to die for all who believe in his name and confess that he is Lord. God loves us so much that he sent his Son to become a JUST sacrifice for us.

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and JUST to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9

Hopefully this might help a little bit… Parents, think about the standards you have made for your kids. If your child got tired of trying to reach your standard, would you allow them to convince you to use their standard instead? Would you allow your 4 year old boy to create his own standards? Would you allow your 16 year old daughter to created her own standards? Furthermore, would you be willing to submit to their standards? That would be insulting to your authority as a parent! How much more insulting would it be for the Almighty God of the Universe to stoop down and be obedient to our standard? Ironically, God did stoop low to become one of us, and submitted himself to the law, but God is not obligated to obey our standards. So, back to my question: “Would you allow your child to create his or her own standard that you had to become obedient to?” I would hope not. They are children, and do not understand many of the standards that parents may have, until one day they understand that all the parent was trying to do was protect them. Similarly, we are like 4 years olds to God. No matter how old and wise we get, we cannot outsmart him.

Think about this: A little boy loves to play in the street. However, his dad notices him and sternly tells him that he can’t do that anymore! The little boy doesn’t understand why, so he decides to play in the street again. Therefore, the father decides to enforce some consequences. The little boy hates the consequences and doesn’t understand why he can’t play in the street or why he is being punished. He simply doesn’t know any better, but one day he realizes that his father was simply trying to protect him.

In the same way, we have many desires to satisfy our own needs, but God desires to protect us from those things. But if we don’t listen, there will be eternal consequences because he is an eternal God. Most of the time, God desires to use us (Christians) to inform people that what they are doing is wrong in the eyes of God. It’s up to them if they want to listen. Unfortunately, many don’t listen, and they fail to see the dangerous things that God has warned them of.


Back to my conversation with my homosexual friend… I actually had a conversation with her “wife” as well. (It begins with the “wife” talking to my friend “the husband”.

“Wife”: I love you for who you are. I’m proud you’re becoming the MAN you deserve to be. I’m glad you’re starting to become more comfortable in your body. You’re such a great person no matter what gender you are. You are and will always be ##### to me. That name you use to have is dead. It’s non existent to me. If family/friends can’t support you and to see that you are unhappy with the body that was mistakenly given to you then I guess they shouldn’t be apart of your life. You’re such a strong person and I am so honored to have you as one of my best friends.
Me: It has nothing to do with not supporting her. It’s about knowing what is true and who is truth. That is Jesus Christ. It has nothing to do with hate or rejection. It has to do with choosing our desire over God’s. ##### knows that I truly love her and she knows what my intentions are. You are failing to see the perspective that I have and how I am trying to help.
“Wife”: Him doing what he deserves to be is true and truth. He knows who is suppose to be. Hints the transitioning. He’s becoming who he knew he needed to be. He deserves to be happy. I’m pretty positive if it makes him happy it makes jesus happy. Jesus made a slight mistake and ##### is fixing that mistake. Everyone makes mistakes Even jesus.

Does Jesus make mistakes?

If I could choose any section of this writing that really disappoints me, and honestly angers me, it would be this. To say that Jesus made a mistake shows that you don’t KNOW Jesus, and who have no idea what he actually did to pay for that sin. It’s complete arrogance that develops into these strange doctrines and ideas about who Jesus really is. Furthermore, to say that Jesus made a mistake is to say that he is imperfect, which makes his sacrifice useless. It’s telling God to his face that your sacrifice wasn’t good enough for me, so I”m going to try to fix it up a little bit.

Additionally, notice what she said was “true and truth” — “Him doing what he DESERVES[..].” First of all, WE DESERVE NOTHING!! THE ONLY THING THAT WE DESERVE IS WRATH! That’s why the Gospel is such good news. We are so filled with wickedness, and many are still lost in the darkness. However, when someone is in the dark for so long, he or she begins to adapt to the darkness, and living in the darkness becomes easier and easier. Like a stated before, even when people are in darkness, they can still “claim” to have a relationship with God. But those are pure lies!

“This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.” 1 John 1:5-7

Second, the ONLY thing that is true and truth is Jesus Christ.

“Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6

“Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.” Matthew 16:24

Third, it all comes down to idolatry and the desire to fulfill our own desires. To deny ourself means to forget about the sinful desires that we selfishly have for ourselves – no matter how difficult it may be to let those go – and allow Jesus to give you his desires. This may sound challenging, but the more one comes to know Jesus, the more He will begin to replace your desires with his. Eventually, the desires you once had will no longer be your desires, and you will genuinely have new and righteous desires. I personally know people who have struggled with homosexuality for their entire lives, but – in their brokenness- they turned to Jesus, and now they no longer have those desires. I also no Christians who still have those sinful desire, but refuse to act upon them because they truly believe that Jesus is worth it. They were willing to sacrifice their natural desires for the sake of the cross, and God will truly bless them for it.

Conclusion:

Christians do NOT hate homosexuals. Christians love them, and it’s purely out of love when we inform them of what’s wrong. I understand how it can come across as an act of hate, but that viewpoint only occurs when one lives according to their own standard. As a result, this causes one to take things personally and as an offense.

For instance, there have been many occasions when a Christian cake company has made the News because they refused to disobey God by baking a cake for a gay wedding. It had nothing to do with hatred towards gays; it only had to do with what they new was right. Not too long ago, I watch a video of a guy calling a gay wedding cake company – asking them to make a cake that said, “I’m a Christian, and I do not support gay marriage.” The company refused to make the cake. The man making the call didn’t actually want the cake, but he called to prove a point on how you can’t force people to do or make something that goes against their own beliefs.

As Christians, our goal isn’t to search out all the flaws in people and tell them that they are a bad person. However, I am aware that there are some “Christians” who do that. Shame on them! Unfortunately, there will always be people like that. The world doesn’t have a homophobe problem. Rather, the world has a “people” problem. There are some people who are homophobes. Similarly, the world doesn’t have a racist problem. Rather, there are people who are racist against blacks and against whites, and there will always be those people. When we hear about a rape crime on the news, we don’t say, “We have a rape problem today.” Rather, we say, “What’s wrong with PEOPLE today?!?”

As Christians, our goal is to show you the love and mercy of Christ and what it means to follow him. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to do it, and the Gospel will always be offensive to those who want to fulfill their own desires rather than God’s. This isn’t just a problem for homosexuals; it’s a problem for all kinds of people, including those of other faiths as well. In a recent debate between a Muslim and a Christian, the Muslim man accused the Heaven of the Bible to be unrealistic and boring because Jesus-followers will be walking with God for eternity. The Muslim said,

“I wouldn’t want to walk with God for eternity. I would much rather walk with God some of the time and do my own thing the rest of the time.”

This represents the exact problem of having selfish desires. Only those who truly KNOW God and desire to walk with him now are those who will be walking with Him in eternity.

So, the next time a Christian approaches you, remember their perspective. They don’t desire to ridicule or hurt you; they want to point you away from destruction and to a merciful God. It’s never to late to ask for forgiveness and live a life dedicated to Jesus. I’ll leave you with this question:

If you are a gay Christian who believes it’s okay to be that way, who’s standard are you living by and what or who do you put your identity in? Is your identity is Jesus alone, or in the person you desire to be, or even in the Jesus you have created? And if you are a gay atheist, where does your standard come from? 


 

***The following link is a video several extra points that I would like to address***

 Answering the Tough Questions Asked by Homosexuals

Reality Check

Do you really know what you believe?

Many Christians today aren’t truly aware of what they actually believe. We attend our local church, sing songs, and listen to the pastor preach from the word of God. These are wonderful things, however, ask yourself this question:

“Am I living off of my own faith, or off of the faith of others and what they tell me is true?”

Are you able to defend your faith?  Do you have the knowledge to defend the inerrancy of the Bible? Are you able to defend the Trinity? Are you able to defend the deity of Jesus? Are you truly familiar with the accusations against Trinitarianism and do you have a reasonable argument for it? Or… Do you subconsciously throw those accusations out the window whenever you don’t have an answer or feel uncomfortable? I say “subconsciously” because it feels better if we tend to ignore problems rather than face them. In other words, it’s easier to justify our lack of defense if we simply forget about the accusation or even create our own answer while coincidentally being unaware that our answer might possibly contradict other passages of scripture.

For instance, Matthew 24:26 says, “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.” IF JESUS IS GOD, WHY DOESN’T HE KNOW THE DAY OR THE HOUR? Although it’s not a bad response, most Christians will give a response such as, “Well, when Jesus became man, he gave up some of his divine attributes. In this instance, he gave up this knowledge.” This seems fair, but many Christians will immediately accept that teaching without doing any research for themselves. Would you want Muslims, Mormons, and Jehovah Witnesses to use this sort of criteria? If they came across a question that contradicted their faith, would you want them to accept the first justifiable answer they hear, or would you want them to be encouraged to seek truth? What gives us the right then, to demand a seeking for truth, but not really search for it for ourselves? We all need to realize that everyone has their own worldview, and most believe that they have the real truth. Therefore, my question regarding Matthew 24:26 is, “if the Son doesn’t know the day or the hour simply because He gave up that knowledge when He became a man, then why doesn’t the Holy Spirit know the day or the hour?” The verse says that ONLY the Father knows. If you believe the Holy Spirit is also God, then why doesn’t He know? He didn’t give up any divine attributes. Again, if Jesus doesn’t know the day or the hour simply because he gave that up divine attribute, why doesn’t the Holy Spirit know? We must be consistent with our explanations. This is just one of many of examples.

In this article, my intention is NOT to answer the accusations that I show; rather, it is to show the accusations and encourage you to seek the answers to these questions by looking at reliable sources, asking questions, and knowing the Word of God. I will be happy to answer these questions personally as well, and I plan on developing answers in future articles. With that said, there are an overwhelming amount of arguments FOR the deity of Jesus and for the Trinity. However, there are also many somewhat convincing arguments against them as well. I say, “somewhat convincing” because – if you don’t KNOW your Bible – these arguments will sound convincing and may cause much doubt.

Before moving on, please understand that I hardly even give a defense to the supposable accusations and contradictions because each topic deserves it’s own article. People have written books on these topics. My goal is to familiarize you with these claims and provide for you a Reality Check regarding the Bible that we have today. With that said, I provided a few links that touch on each topic.

Reality Check #1: The Bible is filled with many “errors”

Many Christians will immediately respond by saying something like, “that’s false!” However, what causes you to say that this is false? Is it because you know your pastor would say that it’s false? Is it because you have been taught that it doesn’t have any errors? Or… Is it because you have truly searched the scriptures with an unwavering desire to know truth and have come to the conclusion that there are no errors? In the most charitable way possible, if you are unaware that the Bible has some errors, then I’m not sure if you truly know the Bible. If you passionately read the Bible, you will obviously see that it is filled with several errors. But what is meant by “errors?”

Although the original manuscripts were most definitely flawless, the Bible that we have today is filled with dozens of “copyist errors”. While scribes were making copies of scripture, sometimes they would misread a number or word, and write that number or word down. Then those manuscripts would be copied by another scribe and would eventually be carried through from scribe to scribe. Therefore, you will see that there are differences in some of the manuscripts. In fact, you will even see differences between chapters that explain the same event. For instance,

How many fighting men were found in Judah?

  • Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
  • Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

  • Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
  • Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?

  • No (John 3:13)
  • Yes. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11)

***And many, many more
Source: 101 Bible Contradictions

***With that said, there is not one copyist error that changes anything about the Bible, the Gospel, or who Jesus was. The copyist weren’t the inspired writers. They were people who believed the word of God to be sacred, and did their best to copy thousands of manuscripts by hand. Today, we still make erors in our writing… and we have Spellcheck!

Helpful Links:
Is the Bible reliable?
Is the Bible reliable? (2)
Is the Bible reliable? (3)
Is the Bible reliable? (4)
Did the copyists copy the Bible correctly?
Clarifying contradictions


The two most significant variants: Mark 16:9-20 & John 7:53-8:11

Mark 16:9-20
John 7:53-8:11

These verses are among the most controversial verses that I have found. The reason being because they are in our current Bibles, but are NOT found in our earliest manuscripts (Codex Vaticanus & Codex Sanaiticus).
(Understanding manuscripts and textual variants would require an entirely new article. In fact, many scholars have written books on this topic alone. I would recommend listening to Daniel Wallace, James White, Bruce Metzger, and perhaps Sam Shamoun. These are Trinitarian Christians who take the approach that these verses were NOT in the originals, and explain why they think there were added. However there are many other scholars who believe that they are still inspired and give good explanations as to why they aren’t in the two earliest manuscripts.)

Helpful Links:
Daniel Wallace
Daniel Wallace 2
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Speaking of Manuscripts, it is important to realize that we do NOT have any of the original manuscripts of the Bible. With the exception of a couple fragments, al we have are copies of copies of copies. However, we DO have over 20,000 fragment copies of scripture which can all be put side by side and gather a pretty good idea of what the originals must have said. (Again, this is something many scholars have written books about. So, we are just scratching the surface.)

Another controversial passage: 1 John 5:7

This verse is viewed as one of the most highly controversial because the KJV gives a verse representing the Trinity that would close every case. However, historical manuscript evidence shows that it was possibly forced into the text by a scribe in order to defend the Trinity. The scribe also could have possibly believed that it was marginal note explaining the true verse of 1 John 5:7 but regardless, it has still become very controversial. Notice the difference between each version.

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” – KJV

For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.” – ESV

***There are some scholars, including Sam Shamoun, who believe that 1 John 5:7 from the KJV version could very well be inspired.

Reality Check #2: The Bible does NOT directly mention the Trinity.

Before I share a variety of Bible verses, I want to remind you that there are explanations for all of these. The intention is to familiarize you with the accusations thrown at Christianity that are considered legit. The atheists (God bless them) who may be reading this are probably loving what has been said so far, but notice how I have hardly given any explanations to any of these accusations. With that said, the atheist is going to appreciate the following material that I have to share as well. So, bear with me.

The following includes a list of verses that Non-Trinitarians like to throw at Trinitarians. Unless you are very familiar with these accusations, don’t expect them to have easy answers. You may have even been taught how to answer some of these questions, but as asked before, are your arguments based on your own seeking of truth, or the dogmatic answers that your pastor or parents have shown you? Now, some of their answers may be true, but I am simply emphasizing the importance of seeking each answer in-depth rather than accepting an answer that only reaches surface level.

1. It is written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.  I am one who bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me,” John 8:17, 18.
2. “This is life eternal, that they might know Thee [Father], the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent,” John 17:3.  (How is Jesus God when he says that the Father is the ONLY true God?)
3. “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power,” Acts 10:38.  Is he who anoints the same with him who is anointed?
4. “For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,” 1 Tim. 2:5. (How is Jesus God if he is the Mediator?)
5. Because, in the same sense in which we are said to belong to Christ, Christ is said to belong to God.  “And ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s,” 1 Cor. 3:23. (How is He God’s if he is God?)
6. My Father is greater than I,” John 14:28
7. “Why callest thou me Good? There is none good but one, that is God,” Matt. 19:17.
8. “Jesus saith unto her, ….Go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father; and to my God and your God,” John 20:17.
(How does Jesus have a God if he is God?)
9. Because an Apostle says of God, in distinction from the “Lord Jesus Christ,” that He is the “only Potentate,” and that He “only hath immortality,” 1 Tim. 6:15, 16.
10. “Though there be that are called Gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) yet to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things,” 1 Cor. 8:5, 6.
11. Because the power which Christ possessed was, as he affirmed, given to him.  “All power is given unto me,” (How is Jesus God, if he was GIVEN all power?)
12. Because he distinctly states, that these works bear witness, not to his own power, but that the Father had sent him, John 5:36.
13. Because he expressly affirms that the works were done, not in his own, but in his Father’s name, John 10:25.
14. Because he declares that he is not the author of his own doctrine. “My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me,” John 7:16, 17.
15. Because he represents himself as having been instructed by the Father.As my Father hath taught me, I speak these things,” John 8:28.
16. Because he declares, “I am not come of myself” into the world, “for I proceeded forth and came from God,” John 8:42; 7:28.  Jesus knowing… that he came from God, and went to God,” &c., John 13:3.
17. “As the Father hath life in himself, so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself,” John 5:30. (If Jesus is God, shouldn’t he already have life?)
18. “I can of mine own self do nothing,” John 5:30.
19.“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but my Father only,” Matt.24:36, Mark 13:32.
20. Because Christ is said in the Scriptures to have been “tempted of the devil,” Matt. 4:1.  But “God can not be tempted with evil.”  James 1:13.
21. Because he implored that, if it were possible, the bitter cup might pass from him, adding, “Nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt,” Matt. 26:39. (Shouldn’t Jesus’s Will be the exact same of the Father if they are One in the same God?)
22. Because he said, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” Matt 27:46
23. “I thank God through Jesus Christ,” Rom. 7:25.  “To God only wise, be glory through Christ,” Rom. 16:27. “I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,” Eph. 3:14.
24. Christ glorified not himself to be made a high priest, but He (glorified him) who said unto him, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee,” Heb. 5:5. (How is Jesus God if he was begotten on “this day?”)
25. Because he speaks of himself as one who had received commands from the Father.  “The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment,” John 12:49.
26. Because he is represented as obeying the Father, and as having been “obedient unto death,” Phil 2:8.  “Even as the Father said unto me, so I speak,” John 12:50.  “I have kept my Father’s commandments,” John 15:10.
27. Because Christ “Learned obedience by the things he suffered,” and through sufferings was made perfect by God, Heb. 5:8.
28. Because God made that same Jesus, who was crucified, both Lord and Christ, Acts 2: (If Jesus is God, how did God make him Lord and Christ?)
29. Because God gave him a name which is above every name, Phil.2:9.
30. “If I judge, my judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me,” John 8:16.
31. he “sat on the right hand of God,” Mark 16:19.
32. Because it is affirmed of Christ, that “when all things shall be subdued under him then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all,” 1 Cor. 15:28. (If Jesus is God, why does he give everything back to the Father?)

*** The verses may be out of context, but are made to challenge your thinking and to dig you deeper into scripture.***

Additionally, many Christians will attempt to defend the Trinity by referencing Genesis 1:26: “Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” Christians will point to the word, “us” as an attempt to prove the Trinity. However, many will argue that this was merely a “majestic” form of communication.

Throughout history, when someone was regarding with a high form of authority, he or she would often speak on behalf of themselves in plural form. For example, a queen could refer to herself as “we.” – (With that said, most scholars believe that this “Majestic Plural” wasn’t really used in that form until centuries after the Bible was completed. If the “Plural of Majesty” is a common thing in the Bible, we should be able to find other examples of it. We cannot.)

Furthermore, the NIV study bible even claims that the “us” in Genesis 1:26 could refer to the angels. However, nowhere in scripture does it say that Angels create anything.

Helpful Links:
Holy Trinity: By Sam Shamoun
What does the Bible say about the Trinity?
The Forgotten Trinity: By James White


Reality Check #3: Many people make the accusation that some of the authors of the Bible weren’t actually the authors.

In short, there are differences in writing styles between 1 Peter and 2 Peter. There are also extreme similarities between Peter and Jude which force many to believe that Jude wrote for Peter or vice versa. Lastly, no one is entirely sure who the author of Hebrews is, and some accuse Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John of copying from each other without actually witnessing anything.

More info on Peter and Jude


Reality Check #4: There are other faiths that have the same practices and beliefs.

No, I’m not talking about just Jehovah Witness, Mormonism, Islam, Unitarian Universalists, Hinduism, Buddhism, Ba’hai, etc… Although, it would be interesting to see how many Christians are actually familiar with their beliefs and know the errors within rather than accusing them of being false without any actual proof. However, I will say that the Ba’hai faith is a new and very interesting faith which holds the belief that brings all religions together. A couple of the beliefs within Christianity that I want to focus on and briefly mention are Biblical Unitarianism and Oneness Pentecostalism.

Biblical Unitarians actually believe in (almost) the same Gospel as Trinitarians. They believe that…

  • Jesus is the Son of God
  • Jesus died for our sins
  • Jesus was raised from the dead
  • Jesus was sinless
  • The Holy Spirit guides believers

Some BU’s also believe that tongues and prophecy are for today just like many Trinitarians. If they practice the gift of tongues and have interpretation, is it truly from God, or are they just making it all up? The Bible says that the Holy Spirit dwells in all believers. If they feel conviction from the Holy Spirit and obey and worship God, is it truly from God, and what’s the difference between the conviction and leading they feel from the Holy Spirit – and the conviction and leading Trinitarians feel? Is one really from God and the other making it all up? I know some BU’s who love God and are missional, spreading the Gospel and baptizing thousands of people in third world countries. Are they working for God? Or would you say that they are working against God?

I ask this because they deny the deity of Jesus. They do NOT believe that Jesus IS God, yet they have most of the same practices and beliefs as Trinitarians. Can one be saved and believe the Jesus is NOT God – even if they believe that Jesus died for their sins and are covered by grace? (I’m not necessarily asking for an opinionated answer; rather, a biblical one).

Oneness Pentecostals believe that Jesus is God. Wonderful, right!? Not so fast… They deny the eternal Sonship. They believe that the Father manifests himself in different modes. This is known as “Modalism”. This emphasizes how the Father manifested himself as Jesus and as the Holy Spirit and therefore deny that there are three separate persons and the eternal relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

To be honest, most Trinitarians are unawarely more Modalist than they are Trinitarian. I say this because the most common analogies that Trinitarians give don’t really support the Trinity, but rather give support for the Oneness/Modalist God. For instance, I’ve heard the analogy of the Trinity represented as the three forms of water: water/ice/vapor. These are three different forms of water but still the same substance. Seems like a reasonable explanation, right? Unfortunately, that doesn’t work for the Triune God because the Triune God doesn’t take on three different modes. The Triune God is NOT water taking on the form of ice and vapor just like the Triune God is not The Father taking on the form of the Son and the Holy Spirit. Rather, the Triune God are three coequal and coeternal persons.

This may sound confusing (if you don’t read the Bible as a whole and let scripture interpret scripture), which is why many leave the Trinitarian faith and begin believing in something that is more understandable. In order to have faith, they need to be able to understand who God is and how he works.

With all of that said, if you were to walk into a Trinitarian Pentecostal church and then a Oneness Pentecostal church, you would most likely be UNABLE to tell the difference. They both…

  • Worship the Father
  • Worship Jesus as God
  • Worship Jesus as Son
  • Obey the Holy Spirit
  • Speak in tongues
  • Practice spiritual gifts

The following are couple verses that they use for support of their doctrine:

John 17:3 – And this is eternal life, that they know you [Father], the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

Isaiah 9:6 – For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

***Would you be able to give a defense?***

— It’s important to know that even when you give a defense, there will always be a loophole and a rabbit-trail to another argument. For instance, if I wanted to prove that Jesus was God, I could go to John 1: 1-3

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

This sounds like a closed case, right? Wrong! Again, there can be a case made about anything, and if you don’t know your Bible, it will sound overwhelmingly convincing. The argument that is made is that the word “Word” (Logos in Greek) has many different meanings such as a “thought” or “plan” or “idea.”  In short, The “Word” was just a thought or plan that was with God.  But scripture refers the “Word” as a “He.” Doesn’t that prove wrong the idea of the Word was a thought? Again, not so fast. The word “He” is only a pronoun, and some translations refer to the Word as an “it.” (Again, this is their argument).

The following is a quote from a non-Trinitarian source:

“The pronoun in verse 3 can legitimately be translated as “it.” It does not have to be translated as “him,” and it does not have to refer to a “person” in any way. A primary reason why people get the idea that “the Word” is a person is that the pronoun “he” is used with it. The Greek text does, of course, have the masculine pronoun, because like many languages, including Spanish, French, German, Latin, Hebrew, etc., the Greek language assigns a gender to all nouns, and the gender of the pronoun must agree with the gender of the noun. In French, for example, a table is feminine, la table, while a desk is masculine, le bureau, and feminine and masculine pronouns are required to agree with the gender of the noun. In translating from French to English, however, we would never translate “the table, she,” or “the desk, he.” And we would never insist that a table or desk was somehow a person just because it had a masculine or feminine pronoun. We would use the English designation “it” for the table and the desk, in spite of the fact that in the original language the table and desk have a masculine or feminine gender.

[…] A Greek feminine noun is “anchor” (agkura), and literally it would demand a feminine pronoun. Yet no English translator would write “I accidentally dropped the anchor, and she fell through the bottom of the boat.” We would write, “it” fell through the bottom of the boat. In Greek, “wind” (anemos) is masculine, but we would not translate it into English that way. We would say, “The wind was blowing so hard it blew the trash cans over,” not “the wind, he blew the trash cans over.” When translating from another language into English, we have to use the English language properly. Students who are studying Greek, Hebrew, Spanish, French, German, etc., quickly discover that one of the difficult things about learning the language is memorizing the gender of each noun—something we do not have in the English language[…] 

Once we clearly understand that [in Greek] the gender of a pronoun is determined by the gender of the noun, we can see why one cannot build a doctrine on the gender of a noun and its agreeing pronoun. No student of the Bible should take the position that “the Word” is somehow a masculine person based on its pronoun any more than he would take the position that a book was a feminine person or a desk was a masculine person because that is the gender assigned to those nouns in French. Indeed, if one tried to build a theology based on the gender of the noun in the language, great confusion would result.”

http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/articles/logos/john-1-3

However, this doesn’t properly address the use of the pronoun. If we were going to speak of the table, and then say we set something on “it,” in Spanish we would use the word “la.” “La” also translates as “he.”

Like this: “Jamie went to the table, and set her purse on it.” Table is “mesa” which is feminine, so the feminine pronoun would be used, but it wouldn’t mean “set her purse on her”; it would mean “it.” English is messed up because it doesn’t gender things except for boats, which are always “she.” But the third person pronoun in other languages often translates both “he / she” and “it.” So, while “it” is a reasonable translation, so is “he.”

***With that said, the early church Fathers such as Ignatius and Irenaeus, who were mostly likely heard teaching for John himself, had numerous writing refuting Modalism and Unitarianism. When reading their writings, they obviously believed in the deity of Jesus as the eternal Son of God.***

Helpful Links:
Early Trinitarian Quotes
Irenaeus Writings
Ignatius Writings
Tertullian Writings


Reality Check #5: Christians are changing their minds about what the Bible really says.

Evolution

More and more Christians are compromising their beliefs because of what the mainstream scientists have to say about the creation of the universe. Many Christians are now believing in theistic evolution because the supposable “overwhelming” evidence of macroevolution. Most will claim that they are not compromising the Bible, but rather showing how science points to the Bible. Although part of that statement is true, this idea creates more problems than it solves. For instance, if you are a Christian and believe in evolution, you have to believe that there was death BEFORE sin. Therefore, God saw death, pain, and suffering, and called it “Good.” So, whenever we see suffering in the world today, we can’t necessarily say that it is the result of the Fall.

Additionally, if one believes in theistic evolution, he or she will most likely deny the historical Adam and Eve. They will most likely explain how they were only figurative representatives of mankind. Again, this causes more problems than it solves because when we look at the genealogy of Jesus, starting with Adam and Even, we can’t find where the people stopped being figurative and began to be real people. This idea also demolishes the idea of marriage between a man and a woman. If Adam and Eve weren’t real people, then we don’t have a true idea of what marriage should look like. With all of that said, I know very intelligent people who would be able to give explanations for these arguments. However, it’s very important to that there are loopholes for everything, and anyone can make a good case about something. Which brings me to my next point.

Helpful Links:
Views on Evolution
Young Earth Creationist on Evolution
Ken Ham: Evolution
Ken Ham: Theistic Evolution
Ken Ham: Theistic Evolution (2)
John Piper: Evolution

Hell

Many Christians are beginning to deny they idea that there is a Hell. They will say that it was a pagan belief that continued throughout Christianity and eventually became dogmatic. The following are verses that support their beliefs, but keep in mind that many of them may be out of context, and I am NOT giving a defense for all of these in this article, so know that there are many verses that refute these.

Psalm 1:6 “But the way of the ungodly shall perish”
(Notice, the bible also talks about the wicked “perishing”. Perishing means to no longer exist. How does one suffer eternally if they perish?)

Psalm 92:7 “… shall be destroyed forever.”
(If one believes in eternal conscious hell, they don’t believe those who are lost are “destroyed” but again, that they live forever).

Matthew 10:28 “Rather, fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
(Here Jesus himself teaches against hell– saying that those who are lost experience the death of their soul. If one believes in eternal conscious hell, they believe Jesus was wrong on this point, and that souls don’t die at all, but will live forever in hell).

John 3:16 “…whosoever believeth in him should not perish”
(Again, to believe in hell, one must believe Jesus was wrong in John 3:16 and that people don’t “perish” at all, but live forever in hell).

Matthew 7:13: “broad is the road that leads to destruction
(Jesus in his warnings continues with the repetitive testimony of scripture: the consequence of rejecting reconciliation with God is destruction– not everlasting life in torment).

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