Where do you place your identity, and what or who are you ultimately serving? For homosexuals, do you identify yourself as someone who is gay? Or do you find your identity in Jesus Christ alone? In this article, I will be discussing the Christian perspective of homosexuality, and then I will conclude back to my questions about IDENTITY.
Before I begin this article, let me make it clear that my intention is not make homosexual sins outweigh any other sin. SIN IS SIN. My intention is to show the difference between someone who recognizes their sin and repents and someone who justifies their sin using culture, opinions of peers, and bias – and continuing in sin without repentance.
What’s the standard, and who sets it?
We (Christians) do NOT hate homosexuals. In fact, our feelings towards homosexuals are far from any form of hatred. We understand why people may feel this way, but the real cause of that misconception is due to the lack of perspective and a misunderstood, self-created standard. In a nutshell, here is the perspective:
We serve a God who is beyond any perfection that we can comprehend. Our God is so perfect, holy, and righteous that we can’t even have a standard for that sort of being. Trying to understand God and his holiness is like trying to explain to ants how the internet works. We could possibly make a scale from 1-10, and ask how perfect God is on that scale, however, God would not even stoop so low to be a 10. God wouldn’t even stoop so low to be an 11… or 12… or even a 100. God’s perfection is so incredible that it is beyond our ability to even come close to comprehending.
“For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.” (Romans 3:23)
The Bible says that every person that has ever existed has sinned and has fallen short of God’s standard. Jesus said,
“Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.” (Matthew 11:11)
In other words, even when someone seems like an amazing person here on earth, who loves to serve and care for others… even that person would be worse than the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven. The problem is that people try creating fairness, equality, and love according their own human standard instead of looking to the standard of a Holy God. They have a view of the world through their own eyes and what they think is right and wrong instead of opening their eyes to the idea that there is a true standard.
With that said, many pro-gay Christians don’t like the true standard of God, so they slowly begin to justify their beliefs and begin to apply those beliefs to their own personal view of God. They say,
“Well, God doesn’t want me to struggle. He loves me for who I am, and this is how he made me. He wants me to be happy! It’s the conservative Christians who have it wrong, and they are being hateful when attempting to change who God made me to be.”
There are so many things wrong with that statement.
*First of all, God’s desire is not always to make you happy
Instead, he desires a genuine relationship with you, which can only come from obeying his commands and understanding who he truly is; not understanding who we want him to be. Personally, I don’t like the idea of an eternal Hell, but I’m not going to slowly begin to develop a new belief just because it brings discomfort.
If there was any man who had somewhat of a decent excuse to change their attitude towards God, it would be Job. Job was a man who’s life was ruined by the attacks of Satan. Everything was taken from him and he, himself was suffering from nasty infections. However, he remained faithful to God. Yes, he was broken and was angry towards God at times, but he never let his feelings and emotions form a false idea of who the true God is. Additionally, he never justified himself when he was angry at God. Job had a good reason to be upset, but he repented of his attitude during his times of struggles. Job surrendered to God in his brokenness. Unlike Job, many surrender to sin in their brokenness because it might be too much to give up. Job lost everything he ever loved, yet turned to God. He didn’t turn to a new God that he created in his worldview; a God that would promise happiness. Instead, he turned to the only true God. There are many Christians who stop believing in God altogether because of their sexuality, but there are also many Christians who turn to God, but unfortunately, a God that has been formed by their own thoughts, experience, as well as by the opinions of peers. This God has been formed to make us feel better and accept us for who we are. This God is still claimed to be a God of LOVE, but in reality, that sort of God can’t be loving when he has no justice. Just within the past several years, the word “love” has been severely abused when talking about God.
God’s love is real, but so is his wrath. Therefore, we cannot afford to pick and choose bible verses that make us feel good, while avoiding many verses that explicitly explain his wrath. We have to accept every word of the Bible no matter if we like it or not. God’s love isn’t a love that causes us to feel like we are floating on clouds drinking ice-cold lemonade. It’s not a love that is obligated to bring happiness either. Rather, it’s a love that strikes us to the core, resulting in us wanting to obey his every command and follow his every word, surrendering to his Will he has for our lives; not the Will that WE have FOR him to plan in our lives. It’s a love that changes our desires and allows him to replace our worldly desires with his brand new desires. It’s a love that draws us to repentance; not a love that draws us to self-pity, justification, and maybe even happiness. It’s not a love that forces us to repent. It’s a love that draws us near to him, and once we have realized how holy he truly is, we have no choice but to repent out of the willingness of our own heart through the grace he has given us.
*Second, homosexuality does not define you.
God made you to be in relationship with him, but that doesn’t mean that we won’t have major struggles in our lives. Jesus himself told us that we would suffer in the world but that we shouldn’t worry because He has overcome the world. It’s okay to be broken. In fact, our brokenness is what brings us closer to God. Only in our brokenness are we allowed to see the goodness of our Heavenly Father. If you are struggling with understanding this idea, then maybe you have never truly been broken, or you have given up and turned your brokenness into a sin. Ultimately, there are two options when choosing what to do with your brokenness.
*Third, brokenness is not a sin, and therefore, it’s NOT a sin to have homosexual tendencies and temptations.
It’s not a sin to be tempted. It’s ONLY a sin when we take those temptations and turn them into an ACTION. Jesus was tempted in every way, yet never sinned because he never acted upon those temptations. Having homosexual feelings is not a sin. It’s a state of being broken, just like an alcoholic or a porn addict may feel broken due to the overwhelming urge to “act”. The question is, what are you going to do with your brokenness? Are you going to give it to God? Or are you going give in to sin?
Giving it to God doesn’t mean that you have to be perfect. In reality, most Christians find themselves struggling with all kinds of sin. The only difference is that some desire to run away from sin, allowing the Holy Spirit to do a work on their hearts while others desire to sprint towards sin. In a sense, you could say that some desire to legalize sin. Ultimately, it’s between you and God because He knows your heart. However, depending on each individual, this can be dangerous because it’s easy to slowly justify your convictions and beliefs causing false ideas of who God is, and what he loves and hates.
Yes, God hates, but it’s a righteous kind of hate. It’s not the same selfish and prideful hate that humans have. Because God is so perfect, he MUST hate what is evil. The Bible is clear on this. God knows our hearts, and we can’t lie to him. He knows if we are actually trying to give these desires up and follow him, and he knows if we are trying to hide them and tell ourself that it’s okay. Jesus knows if someone truly wants to be a follower of his. He has told us that we must take up our own cross and follow him if we truly love him. But what does it mean to take up our own cross?
“Take up your cross and follow Me” means being willing to die in order to follow Jesus. This is called “dying to self.” It’s a call to absolute surrender. After each time Jesus commanded cross bearing, He said, “For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?” (Luke 9:24-25). Although the call is tough, the reward is matchless.
Following Jesus is easy when life runs smoothly; our true commitment to Him is revealed during trials. Jesus assured us that trials will come to His followers (John 16:33). Discipleship demands sacrifice, and Jesus never hid that cost.
In Luke 9:57-62, three people seemed willing to follow Jesus. When Jesus questioned them further, their commitment was half-hearted at best. They failed to count the cost of following Him. None was willing to take up his cross and crucify upon it his own interests. …Truly, they were not able to put to death their own ideas, plans, and desires, and exchange them for His.
How many people would respond to an altar call that went, “Come follow Jesus, and you may face the loss of friends, family, reputation, career, and possibly even your life”? The number of false converts would likely decrease! Such a call is what Jesus meant when He said, “Take up your cross and follow Me.”
If you wonder if you are ready to take up your cross, consider these questions:
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing some of your closest friends?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means alienation from your family?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means the loss of your reputation?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing your job?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing your life?
In some places of the world, these consequences are reality. But notice the questions are phrased, “Are you willing?” Following Jesus doesn’t necessarily mean all these things will happen to you, but are you willing to take up your cross? If there comes a point in your life where you are faced with a choice—Jesus or the comforts of this life—which will you choose?
Commitment to Christ means taking up your cross daily, giving up your hopes, dreams, possessions, even your very life if need be for the cause of Christ. Only if you willingly take up your cross may you be called His disciple (Luke 14:27). The reward is worth the price. Jesus followed His call of death to self (“Take up your cross and follow Me”) with the gift of life in Christ: “For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it” (Matthew 16:25-26).
If you choose not to give up your desires, then God will give you over to your own lusts and desires. Romans 1:24-31 tells us…
“Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.32 Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.”
In Romans 1, Paul explains how people were being very disobedient to God. Many Pro-Gay Christians may be very passionate about this subject but notice that God refers to unrepentant homosexuality as having “dishonorable passions”. In other words, one may have love and passion for something, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s honorable in God’s eyes. Also, notice that God includes homosexual practice within the same group as evil, covetousness, malice, envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, and ruthless. Are any of theses things beautiful if God’s eyes? So, why would we exclude homosexuality from that list? I believe it’s because this subject is extremely personal to people and require a lifestyle change. People would rather develop a new mindset about this rather than using the mindset that God tells us to use in the Bible. Our culture is changing, and the more people accepting a sin, the easier it is to justify. Eventually, you might actually believe it.
With that said, it’s still possible for you to “believe” that you have a genuine relationship with God, when – in fact – you have actually been given over to your own selfish and idolatrous desires.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'”
What an awful day that would be! Hopefully, you are starting to see why Christians are trying to point pro-gay Christians as well as all homosexuals towards the truth. If we truly believe that you will be rejected by God someday, the most loving thing we could do is tell you what you are doing is wrong. We love you, but God has said that it is wrong. We understand how our words can come off as hateful and judgmental, but this all goes back to what I said at the beginning; justification of sinful actions and taking offense to what many Christians may say about this topic is the result of not knowing God and not having the right perspective of where we are coming from.
If you saw your brother or sister using heroin, wouldn’t you want to tell them to stop before it kills them? Wouldn’t that be the most loving thing to do? If a Christian witnesses someone living a life disobedient to God, wouldn’t confronting him or her be the most loving thing to do? You must realize that it’s not easy for Christians to call out someone’s willful sin when they know they will face judgement from people and possible persecution for it. It can most definitely be awkward, but if we truly care for lost and wandering souls, we must be able to move past those fears. Most Christians would rather be hated for the right reasons than allow someone to live and die without giving their brokenness to Jesus. At the same time, Christians must be aware that – like I stated before – having homosexual desires is not in itself a sin, and they must be able to draw a line between homosexuals who are unrepentant vs repentant.
“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
Notice that it says “practice” homosexuality. The following are a couple online definition of the word “practice.”
- “Repeated exercise in or performance of an activity or skill so as to acquire or maintain proficiency in it.”
- “Carry out or perform (a particular activity, method, or custom) habitually or regularly.”
There are Christian homosexuals who have struggle and who still struggle with their sexuality, and I can’t even imagine. However, they do NOT practice homosexuality. Instead, they practice Christianity no matter how tough it may be, and I truly admire them for that. On the Contrary there are people who practice homosexuality, convincing themselves that it’s good in God’s eyes because it’s just too much to give up.
*Fourth, if God didn’t allow us to struggle, then it would be impossible for us to have a relationship with him, and there would be no point of heaven.
If everything were already perfect, then we wouldn’t seek after God because we would have no reason to. Likewise, if everything on earth were just a perfect as heaven, then what would be the point of having the reward of Heaven?
It’s in our brokenness when we begin to seek God, if we choose to. The New Heaven and the New Earth will be a place of perfection. A place where there is no suffering or pain. This is a place where we will walk with God forever and ever. However, those who will walk with God forever and ever will only be those who are truly walking with God today in the midst of our sufferings. Do you have a desire to walk with God for eternity? Do you desire to have a true relationship with him?
Relationships are formed in the vallies. You don’t have a true relationship with someone until you have been through tough times together and you have been able to put your trust in that person. A true relationship is formed when you recognize what “sacrifice” really means. Try to see how many marriages work out when there is only one person calling all the shots. What would it look like if the man sat at home all day and did nothing, but benefited from what the wife sowed? Eventually, the wife would get tired and tell him to get a job, make dinner every once in a while, clean up, take care of the kids, help pay the bills, etc. Unfortunately, this happens today too often, and it’s not a real relationship. People expect Jesus to do the work while they do nothing, yet expect to reap the benefits.
A relationship is between two people, specifically, in a marriage, it’s between between a man and a woman, sacrificing for one another without the expectation to have the favor returned. That’s not according to me; that’s how God designed it. That relationship must work two ways, and it must be mutual in order for it to be called a relationship. Jesus sacrificed himself in order to bring us back to relationship with God. He did his part which he did not have to do, but now we must do our part in order for it to be a relationship. I’m not talking about making God happy by doing “good deeds”. God doesn’t need us to do good deeds, and he doesn’t need us to pay him back. However, good deeds should flow from true Christians as a result of faith in Jesus, representing who we are and who we follow. For many Christians, it’s only a one way relationship because they thirst after our own desires. But Jesus calls us to thirst for him, and not for earthly things or even who we create him to be for our own benefit. This isn’t a part time job either. It’s a lifestyle, and you are called to be a “living sacrifice”.
Are you willing to give up your homosexual desires and follow the true Jesus? I know the desire is strong, but I could ask anyone a similar question…
(Are you willing to give up alcohol to follow Jesus? Are you willing to give up porn to follow Jesus? Are you willing to give up gambling to follow Jesus? I’m not asking you to be perfect, because you will fail. Rather, I’m simply asking if you are willing.)
A Conversation with a homosexual friend…
Recently, I have had a few conversations with an old friend from college who struggled with homosexuality. Now, she has changed her name and considers herself to be a man. She still knows it’s wrong but has wired her brain to believe that this is her. In a conversation with her several months ago, I asked her a few questions about he beliefs and why she is living this sort of lifestyle. She said,
“My beliefs never changed, just my actions. My days are miserable and I often feel stuck. My pursuit of transgenderism is genuine but I know those feelings are lies.”
Now, she is married to her “wife” and continues to dig deeper into those lies. Eventually, I’m not even sure if she will consider those feelings to be lies anymore. She is around “bad company that corrupts moral character.” I have been as loving as I can towards her, but I eventually had to call her out on her lies because I genuinely cared for her. Her response was,
“I don’t understand how you love. I can tell your words are filled with the love of Christ, but I can’t wrap my head around it. Everyone else has given up and walked away yet here you are spontaneously fighting for me. I’m not worthy of Christ or salvation or repentance…. the church shies away from people like me. My challenge comes from the feeling of shortcoming the lord. I can’t immediately fulfill the calling he’s placed on my life so I feel unworthy or pursuing it.”
She was missing the point. The fact is that NO ONE ON EARTH IS WORTHY!!! If we were worthy, then we wouldn’t need the cross! Remember Romans 3:23? Not one person is innocent, and we have all failed to meet God’s perfect standard. Because of the love of Christ, we are able to bring our unworthiness to the cross in exchange of worthiness.
“But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, evenwhen we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved”— Ephesians 2:4-5
When we truly know Christ, we know what love really is, and not some false idea of love that we have made.
“Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.” 1 John 4:7-8
But one might say, “why would God create us to meet his perfect standard, if he knew it would be impossible?” I would simply reply with Romans 5:8:
“But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, ‘Why have you made me like this?'”
In other words, what gives you the right to tell God how to do his job? He is a perfect God who cannot allow sin to go unpunished. So, perhaps that better question would be, “how would a perfect God create a standard that is not perfect?” Ironically, this would actually cause him to be imperfect because he would have to allow sin to go unpunished, which is not perfectly JUST.
The entire reason why Jesus was sacrificed was because of sin. Justice was served when The Father sent his Son to die in our place; forgiveness couldn’t have happened any other way. Throughout history, God commanded his people to sacrifice animals for a temporal forgiveness of sins. Blood HAD to be shed for the forgiveness of sins, and God could not forgive without a sacrifice taking place because true justice would not be served.
Similarly, a murderer has to serve a just punishment. JUSTICE IS REQUIRED! It would be wrong to say the criminal, “you are forgiven, so you don’t need to go to prison.” It would also be wrong for God to say, “you are forgiven, so you don’t need to pay any consequences.” However, God had a plan to forgive once and for all. However, no mere creature could possibly be sacrificed for all of mankind because all have sinned, and no one is worthy enough to have that power and responsibility. Therefore, since the only person who was qualified to be perfect enough to forgive all of mankind was God, God himself became flesh to die for all who believe in his name and confess that he is Lord. God loves us so much that he sent his Son to become a JUST sacrifice for us.
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and JUST to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9
Hopefully this might help a little bit… Parents, think about the standards you have made for your kids. If your child got tired of trying to reach your standard, would you allow them to convince you to use their standard instead? Would you allow your 4 year old boy to create his own standards? Would you allow your 16 year old daughter to created her own standards? Furthermore, would you be willing to submit to their standards? That would be insulting to your authority as a parent! How much more insulting would it be for the Almighty God of the Universe to stoop down and be obedient to our standard? Ironically, God did stoop low to become one of us, and submitted himself to the law, but God is not obligated to obey OUR standards. So, back to my question: “Would you allow your child to create his or her own standard that you had to become obedient to?” I would hope not. They are children, and they do not understand many of the standards that parents may have, until one day they understand that all the parent was trying to do was protect them. Similarly, we are like 4 years olds to God. No matter how old and wise we get, we cannot outsmart him.
Think about this: A little boy loves to play in the street. However, his dad notices him and sternly tells him that he can’t do that anymore! The little boy doesn’t understand why, so he decides to play in the street again. Therefore, the father decides to enforce some consequences. The little boy hates the consequences and doesn’t understand why he can’t play in the street or why he is being punished. He simply doesn’t know any better, but one day he realizes that his father was simply trying to protect him.
In the same way, we have many desires to satisfy our own needs, but God desires to protect us from those things. But if we don’t listen, there will be eternal consequences because he is an eternal God. Most of the time, God desires to use us (Christians) to inform people that what they are doing is wrong in the eyes of God. It’s up to them if they want to listen. Unfortunately, many don’t listen, and they fail to see the dangerous things that God has warned them of.
Back to my conversation with my homosexual friend… I actually had a conversation with her “wife” as well. (It begins with the “wife” talking to my friend “the husband”.
Does Jesus make mistakes?
If I could choose any section of this writing that really disappoints me, and honestly angers me, it would be this. There is a point in every argument where it is no longer worth arguing. In this situation, this was that point. To say that Jesus made a mistake shows that you don’t KNOW Jesus, and you have no idea what he actually did to pay for that sin. It’s complete arrogance that develops into these strange doctrines and ideas about who Jesus really is. Furthermore, to say that Jesus made a mistake is to say that he is imperfect, which makes his sacrifice useless. It’s telling God to his face that your sacrifice wasn’t good enough for me, so I”m going to try to fix it up a little bit.
Additionally, notice what she said was “true and truth” — “Him doing what he DESERVES[..].” First of all, WE DESERVE NOTHING!! THE ONLY THING THAT WE DESERVE IS WRATH! That’s why the Gospel is such good news. We are so filled with wickedness, and many are still lost in the darkness. However, when someone is in the dark for so long, he or she begins to adapt to the darkness, and living in the darkness becomes easier and easier. Like I stated before, even when people are in darkness, they can still “claim” to have a relationship with God. But those are pure lies.
“This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.” 1 John 1:5-7
Second, the ONLY thing that is true and truth is Jesus Christ.
“Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6
“Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.” Matthew 16:24
***It does NOT say, “affirm yourself and do what suits you.”***
Third, it all comes down to idolatry and the desire to fulfill our own desires. To deny ourself means to forget about the sinful desires that we selfishly have for ourselves – no matter how difficult it may be to let those go – and allow Jesus to give you his desires. This may sound challenging, but the more one comes to know Jesus, the more He will begin to replace your desires with his. Eventually, the desires you once had will no longer be your desires, and you will genuinely have new and righteous desires. I personally know people who have struggled with homosexuality for their entire lives, but – in their brokenness- they turned to Jesus, and now they no longer have those desires. I also know Christians who still have those sinful desires, but refuse to act upon them because they truly believe that Jesus is worth it. They were willing to sacrifice their natural desires for the sake of the cross, and God will truly bless them for it.
Christians do NOT hate homosexuals. Christians love them, and it’s purely out of love when we inform them of what’s wrong. I understand how it can come across as an act of hate, but that viewpoint only occurs when one lives according to their own standard. As a result, this causes one to take things personally and as an offense.
For instance, there have been many occasions when a Christian cake company has made the News because they refused to disobey God by baking a cake for a gay wedding. It had nothing to do with hatred towards gays; it only had to do with what they knew was right. Not too long ago, I watched a video of a guy calling a gay wedding cake company – asking them to make a cake that said, “I’m a Christian, and I do not support gay marriage.” The company refused to make the cake. The man making the call didn’t actually want the cake, but he called to prove a point on how you can’t force people to do or make something that goes against their own beliefs. Pure hypocrisy…
As Christians, our goal isn’t to search out all the flaws in people and tell them that they are a bad person. However, I am aware that there are some “Christians” who do that. Shame on them! Unfortunately, there will always be people like that.
It’s a People Problem…
The world doesn’t have a homophobe problem. Rather, the world has a “people” problem. There are some people who are homophobes. Similarly, the world doesn’t have a racist problem. Rather, there are people who are racist against blacks and against whites, and there will always be those people. It’s not white people against blacks, and it’s not blacks against whites. There are people on every side that show a lack of love and understanding. In fact, just the other day my friend told me that her black friend said, “If I saw a group of policemen, I would shoot the white cop first.” After my friend’s surprised reaction, this guy then responded with, “What? I’m black, so I can’t be racist.” …Yes, you can still be racist. Can you imagine the hype my white friend would get if he said, “I would shoot the black cop first?” Again… it’s a people problem because this black man does not even come close to giving a good representation of the true and amazing characteristics of the African-American community. At the same time, one racist white man does not give a good representation of the white community. Once again… It is a people problem. When we hear about a rape crime on the news, we don’t say, “We have a rape problem today.” Rather, we say, “What’s wrong with PEOPLE today?!?” To apply this to the main point, there are people who are homophobes, and unfortunately some of those people are so-called Christians, but they don’t give a good representation of a true, Jesus-loving Christian.
As Christians, our goal is to show the love and mercy of Christ and explain what it means to follow him. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to do it, and the Gospel will always be offensive to those who want to fulfill their own desires rather than God’s. This isn’t just a problem for homosexuals; it’s a problem for all kinds of people, including those of other faiths as well. In a recent debate between a Muslim and a Christian, the Muslim man accused the Heaven of the Bible to be unrealistic and boring because Jesus-followers will be walking with God for eternity. The Muslim said,
“I wouldn’t want to walk with God for eternity. I would much rather walk with God some of the time and do my own thing the rest of the time.”
This represents the exact problem of having selfish desires. Only those who truly KNOW God and desire to walk with him now are those who will be walking with Him in eternity.
So, the next time a Christian approaches you, remember their perspective. They don’t desire to ridicule or hurt you; they want to point you away from destruction and to a merciful God. It’s never too late to ask for forgiveness and live a life dedicated to Jesus. I’ll leave you with these questions:
If you are a gay Christian who believes it’s okay to be that way, who’s standard are you living by and what or who do you put your identity in? Is your identity is Jesus alone, or in the person you desire to be, or even in the Jesus you have created in your own worldview? According to God’s standard, if you support homosexuality and transgenderism, you cannot call yourself a Christian. I am fully aware how that may offend some, but it is not my opinion. The love of God strives us to obey him just like the love of a parent would give us a desire to please them, even though we may not agree with them at first, we slowly begin to see that they were right. Furthermore, it’s God’s love that compels me to inform you what is truly right; not what is right according to your own justifying opinions.
One might respond with something about Jesus never condemning homosexuality. And I would said, “no, he doesn’t.” But he also neglects to condemn pedophilia, bestiality, or rape. Therefore, using that criteria, you would have to say that those things are perfectly okay. Even though he doesn’t specifically address it in detail, many of his disciples addressed and it’s all throughout the Bible. If you have a strong desire to debate in disagreement with what I have stated, it’s simply because you don’t like the standard that God has made. It’s really that simple. God has made it clear. Once again, it’s NOT my opinions, and you may call me close-minded. That’s fine… but I see it as being heavenly minded, reaching out to you and asking you to repent. Speaking on the behalf of the Christian body, I love you and will always be praying for you. God can change your heart if you truly desire to follow him. I’m not look to debate, but I, along with many of my Christian brothers and sisters will always be here to talk and pray with you. We would never reject you as a person, but the lifestyle you are living is one that God is very clear about. All we want to do is bring you home from playing in the street. Jesus offers such an amazing gift of grace! God Bless!
I hope that you were able to follow along in the article. I just want to note that our God is not a God who is currently twiddling his thumbs, hoping that you repent. Yes, he desires all to be saved, but he is sovereign and in complete control. For the sake of the argument one could say, “God doesn’t lose sleep over an unrepentant homosexual.” In one sense God loves him or her, but his wrath still remains on those who willfully sin without repentance, and HIS WILL will BE DONE. He isn’t worried, wondering if someone will repent or not, but discovering the true love of God drives our hearts to repent and surrender to him with an overwhelming sense of love and contentment. This could lead to an argument about God’s sovereignty, but all we know is that from our perspective, we are responsible and we are accountable to our own actions.
***The following link is a video several extra points that I would like to address***
Some Bible verses on homosexuality:
“Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.” – Romans 1:26-28
“We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.” – 1 Timothy 1:8-11“And Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” – Mark 10:6-9
“But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.” – 1 Corinthians 7:2
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. – 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” – Leviticus 18:22
“If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” – Leviticus 20:13
Note: The Bible is filled with many CLEAR verses that can be twisted and manipulated out of pure bias. For instance, some Christians who may be biased towards Pro-gay marriage might take these verse and babble on about what the word “homosexual” really means in Greek or what other translations may say about it. Unfortunately, one can make anything sound convincing when using fancy words and technicalities. The following link is an article that may address this issue:
The following are past conversations between me and Pro-gay Christians:
“Clearly you’ve put a lot of time & thought into this topic and have strong beliefs about it. I appreciate that. You start with the premise of a God so perfect it is beyond our comprehension. I agree. I believe God’s grace is absolutely beyond comprehension as well. I also agree that God does not make mistakes. Therefore, I cannot fathom a perfect, graceful, loving God who would reject a two people in a loving, intimate, sexual relationship with one another. Yes, sexual immorality exists–in gay & straight relationships–but I don’t believe all gay relationships fall nearly into the unholy camp you’ve argued they do. Humans are sexual organisms. To ask homosexuals to just not “practice” homosexuality is like asking someone who can only speak one language to not speak that language and to only speak in a foreign language they don’t know, don’t understand, & most likely will never understand for the rest of their life. You clearly judge me as out of touch with Gods will & Word for this. You won’t be the first to question my faith for standing up and speaking out on this point. You are right that there are many things Jesus did not speak out about. One thing we *do* see Jesus pointing out time & time again is how we are not to judge one another. So instead of delving back into Okd Testament laws or parsing out Paul’s language to precisely determine which sexual acts he determined were sinful, I choose to focus on the good news of Gods love & grace for others, & when it comes to Gods judgment, I’ll go ahead and focus on the matters that I struggle with rather than attempt to apply my interpretation of Gods rubric to others. How refreshing it would be to see & hear Christians pouring their hearts & beliefs out over matters of brokenness that more broadly affect us all such as selfishness, pride, & judging others. I’ve never heard any “pro-gay Christian” argue that God wants us to be happy as a defense of homosexuality. That’s not what I am arguing. I’m arguing that God did not give us two arms and two legs and then ask us to cut them all off. That’s what it is like to ask gay people to just cut their sexuality out of their lives. Yes, Christ asks us to give up everything to follow him, but him asking us to leave our families (etc) to serve him does not mean our families are sinful or immoral.”
YOU SAID: “To ask homosexuals to just not “practice” homosexuality is like asking someone who can only speak one language to not speak that language and to only speak in a foreign language they don’t know, don’t understand, & most likely will never understand for the rest of their life.”
First, there is a fine line here because the Bible never refers to any language being a sin. However, it does refer to unrepentant homosexuality as a sin many times. So, even if one were to make someone speak a language they didn’t know, there would be no issue of sin. Regardless, these two scenarios cannot be compared to each other.
Second, if we were to compare by saying that it’s like forcing someone to speak a language that they don’t know, then you must misunderstand what Christians are trying to communicate.
We are not trying to force a gay person to become straight. That just won’t happen, and I agree that you can’t force someone to change their sexuality. However, the Bible is VERY clear on this issue and I desire to inform homosexuals that it’s not worth it, as tough as it may be, and as natural as it may feel.
I have a friend who is a homosexual and has struggled with it his entire life, but he refuses to put it into action because of the love he has for Jesus. In other words, he struggles with his sexuality, but he does not put it into “practice.” That’s what giving it up looks like. Therefore, it may be nearly impossible to change your sexuality, but it is more than possible to refrain from practicing it, especially with Christ on your side.
YOU SAID: “One thing we *do* see Jesus pointing out time & time again is how we are not to judge one another.”
I totally agree that we aren’t to judge one another, but unfortunately this verse can be severely abused and taken out of context. It’s abused because we could use that argument for almost anything. For instance, let’s say that your neighbor murdered his entire family. Well, I guess we can’t judge him. With that said, I do understand that God is the only judge, and we have no place to judge others and we aren’t to judge someone’s heart. However, in context, the Bible refers to refraining from hypocritical judgement.
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.” – Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged” has been abused almost more than any other verse.
The Bible also encourages us to judge other believers. Not to judge out of hate or envy, but rather with a righteous judgement in order to discern. If your pastor consistently touched you and spoke to you inappropriately, would you sit there and say, “oh well, I guess I can’t judge him” and continue to allow him to be disobedient? Where is the line? What if a drug dealer was caught by policemen, but when they were going to arrest him, he read them this verse? I totally understand that this is a legal issue (in this world), but my point is that if you create that sort of criteria, there is no line.
[Righteous judgment is different from hypocritical judgment. Righteous judgment is done in the light of Scripture with the purpose of sin being exposed to bring back those in sin into the fold of Christ and His church. Righteous Judgment is also done with the intention to expose false teachings so those weaker believers are not lead astray. We can see this in Scripture. Looking at 2 Corinthians 5:12-13 – we can see that those within the church are clearly instructed to judge righteously those claiming to be in the church body.]
Another verse that tells us that righteous judgment is allowed and should be practiced is found in 2 Corinthians 2:15 which states;
“The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.”
As we can see by this verse Christians’ the “spiritual person” or true believers will indeed judge all things.
Let’s look at one more verse that supports righteous judgment. 1 Corinthians 11:19 states; “for there must be factions among you so that those who are genuine among you may be recognized.” This verse points out there must be factions or differences among you so that you can know the truth. To know the truth one must be able to make a judgment. As we can see from the about verses, Righteous Judgment is allowed scripturally.
What We Must Judge.
[Christians must judge the explicitly sinful behavior of a professing Christian.
Jesus said a “tree is known by its fruit” (Matthew 12:33). When do the hidden sinful purposes of the heart reveal themselves? In a person’s explicitly sinful behavior. That’s why Paul didn’t even have to be present to pass judgment on a man who engaged in sexual immorality:
“For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing.” – 1 Corinthians 5:3
And he explicitly instructed the Corinthian Christians to pass judgment on him too!
“For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those INSIDE THE CHURCH WHOM YOU ARE TO JUDGE? God judges those outside.Purge the evil person from among you.” (1 Corinthians 5:12–13)
When we sin, our Christian brothers and sisters have an obligation to judge us. They must not condemn us, but they must, out of love, call us to repent. Such judgment is a grace, an expression of God’s kindness,
“Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?” (Romans 2:4)
and we only compound our sin if we take offense. If our sin is very serious and our church determines that we must be disciplined according to Matthew 18:15–17, we must keep in mind that the purpose is to pursue our redemption not damnation (1 Corinthians 5:4–5).
Be Slow to Judge
When blatant sin is confirmed, Christians must lovingly judge Christians. But in most situations, we must be very slow to judge, exercising great care and restraint.
YOU SAID: “I’m arguing that God did not give us two arms and two legs and then ask us to cut them all off. That’s what it is like to ask gay people to just cut their sexuality out of their lives.”
Again, we are not telling gay people that we expect the stop being gay. We can definitely pray for something miraculous like that to happen, but we don’t expect them to have the ability to flip a switch. We judge with righteous judgement and allow ourselves to be available to a struggling homosexual, praying with them and fighting alongside them. I’m not calling out homosexuals specifically either. This can apply to all types of struggles that people may face.
YOU SAID: “Yes, Christ asks us to give up everything to follow him, but him asking us to leave our families (etc) to serve him does not mean our families are sinful or immoral.”
I agree with you that this doesn’t automatically mean that our families are terrible, unrepentant people. However, the Bible is clear that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We are all guilty, and compared to Jesus, we are all wayyyyy more evil than we think. The Bible is very clear about sin and it points out some sins more than others. Some people struggle with one sin more than others. At the end of the day, is that person going to ACT upon that sin, or are they going to refrain from practicing it no matter how natural it may feel? We live in a fallen world and what comes natural to some doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s okay.
“I appreciate that you are passionate about this topic. You missed the point of my metaphor about language–I was not saying a language is a sin; I’m talking about what it means to be human. Communication through some form of language and sexual connection with others are fundamental human needs. Neither is inherently sinful. That’s the point.
It is really insulting to me to have you say things like “what Christians are trying to communicate” as your judgment of me a “not a Christian” is apparent. Not all Christians believe homosexuality is a sin. There are entire branches of Christian faith that accept homosexuals as members & leaders. Two people in a loving, committed relationship is not cast out as wrong because of the sex of the two involved. If you feel so strongly about your interpretation of the Bible about this, that’s fine. That’s your conviction. That’s between you and God. God knows my heart. Please fathom for a moment that perhaps there is something in the Bible or in the heart of God that you don’t quite get or you & many others before you are wrong about. You said yourself mankind cannot fathom the depths of God. So perhaps there’s some area of growth or learning or understand you have room for? Does that cast you away from God? Are you not a Christian because of it? God knows my heart. I don’t pretend to have God or the Bible or anything all figure out, but I know God is loving and full of grace and I know Jesus taught us not to judge and to be hospitable more than anything else in the Gospels. Jesus’ most strong words were for the “holy” people of his time that used scripture to bludgeon others. He didn’t approach people with condemnation before accepting & healing them. So perhaps I’m wrong, but I’m erring on the side of love & grace & not judging my brothers. I’m confident I’m still a Christian and, if I’m wrong about this, I’m already forgiven.”
I’m definitely on the side of love and grace. But the Bible is clear that God is still a God we NEED to fear and he still has wrath. The Bible is also very clear about taking advantage of sin. Paul says that just because we are forgiven does not give us the right to engage in sin or even accept sin, but rather to die to our old ways and pursue righteousness. (Read all of Romans 6).
There must have been a misunderstanding because I am not condemning anyone. I am explaining what is wrong in the sight of God, yet his arms are wide open to those who turn from their sinful ways. If the Bible is very clear about this, wouldn’t the most loving thing be to tell people this, no matter how it may make me look?
“Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.” John 3:36
Sure, people can “believe” in God; even the demons believe and shutter. But believing isn’t enough. We must know God and “obey” him. This may sound like a chore to some, but finally encountering God gives us the desire to be holy. We aren’t called to obey him in some things and not the others. We aren’t even called to obey him in 99 things and not 1. We are called to be a living sacrifice. In other words, we don’t have to be perfect, but our lives must be surrendered to him, seeking repentance when we fall, and turning from our old ways.
“I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.” (Romans 12:1-2)
I totally understand that God knows your heart, but there is a difference between saying, “God, I’m struggling with this sin, but I’m going to continue in it anyways because you have forgiven me” and “God, I’m struggling with this sin, but will you help me through it? Will you lead me away from temptation and deliver me from evil?” Unfortunately, there are many people who claim to know God and love God, but they will be rejected by Him. (Matthew 7:21-23)
I’m not saying that that is your prayer, but the first prayer is a very very dangerous place to be. It is clearly a pray to conform to this world because it is natural to our sinful flesh. It’s not a prayer to renew the mind. It’s not a prayer that expresses faith and surrender to God Almighty.
“There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.” (Proverbs 16:12)
This refers blinding effects of passion and self-will; for these make a man think his own way best and most desirable. But it seems better to take it as a warning against following a perverted or uninstructed conscience. Conscience needs to be informed by God’s Word and ruled by God’s will to make it a safe guide.
Again, I must have said something confusing because I thought that I gave an clear explanation on how we are to judge. I would never condemn any Christian, and shame on those who do. Was Jesus condemning the woman at the well when he called her out about her sinful lifestyle? No!!! She could’ve taken it that way, but she didn’t. He was simply telling her to sin no more. You can take it as condemning, but I just don’t want anyone under God’s wrath. And Yes, Jesus taught love and grace, but he also taught some of his wrath (Luke 19:27). Yes, it was a parable, but it was also a representation. He may have come the first time with grace, but he will be coming with wrath at his second coming whether we like it or not.
Respectfully, I have given you many Bible verses (in context) to back up what I’m saying. If one truly believes that unrepentant homosexuality is okay, then I would appreciate any verse approving of it. I simply have been quoting what the Bible says about this issue. We can’t afford to battle the Bible with our own biased opinions. You may disagree, but I don’t believe you are arguing with me, because all I have done is back up my thoughts with scripture. I truly believe you are battling scripture. I understand that that may be offensive but know that I’m truly not trying to be that way. And I don’t to separate you by saying, “We Christians”. It would have been just as offensive to label my part as a certain type of Christian and your part as another. I’m sorry for coming off that way. I truly appreciate your thoughts on this, and I can see the passion you have for it. But rest assured… I’m definitely a believer in an all merciful and self-sacrificing God. Just not one that I can take advantage of.
You said: “But the Bible is clear that God is still a God we NEED to fear and he still has wrath.” — I agree.
You said: “Paul says that just because we are forgiven does not give us the right to engage in sin or even accept sin, but rather to die to our old ways and pursue righteousness. (Read all of Romans 6).” — I agree.
You said: “I am explaining what is wrong in the sight of God..” — Here is where we disagree. You interpret all homosexual acts as sinful based on your reading of the Bible and your relationship with God. I have a different understanding of God’s Word, different convictions in my relationship with God, and I understand there to be a different meaning and intention in the passages in the Bible about homosexuality. There was a lot of sexual depravity in Biblical times–Old & New Testament–just as there is today. There were also similar and different political factors at play 2000 years ago. And, yes, translational issues and the integrity of the powers that be under King James in selecting what to include in the canon we know as the Bible, what to exclude, and how present certain messages. You know that the Bible was used to condone slavery for hundreds of years. It was used to support the Crusades and other bloody, tragic atrocities done in the name of God. I respect your right to your perspective but I just as passionately disagree with you that you have cornered the market on what is “wrong in the sight of God.” I strongly and emphatically disagree with you here.
Yes, the Bible has been used and abused in many instances. And the translational aspect doesn’t really have much to due with this topic. There may be textual variants but the same points are made. I don’t believe that I have cornered anything. I am giving you scripture. As Christians, we must believe that God’s Word last forever and NEVER changes. If homosexuality was wrong not only clearly in the OT, but also in the NT, why would God change his mind now, especially without any major revelation? I am still purely using scripture. You have yet to show me scripture that backs up what you out saying. I don’t mean to sound harsh, but It sounds like you are putting our current cultural changes over the consistent authority of the Bible. Maybe I’m wrong…
Could you please tell me how you interpret these verses?
“Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”
“Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.” Leviticus 18:22
“Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.” – Romans 1:26-27
So just curious. What do you think of you teens adults who commit suicide rather than be shamed by their family in church?
I think it’s the result of living in a fallen world as well as some “Christians” not being Christian. But regardless, you are asking me what I “think” or how I would “feel” when our faith isn’t based off feelings or emotions, because we can’t trust our feelings as they are temporary. On the other hand, Gods Word is Eternal and I cannot allow my feelings and biases determine how I think God feels about something. If there is controversy, I’ll turn to Gods word over my feelings 100% of the time. Like I said in my article, I don’t like the thought of an eternal Hell, in fact I hate thinking about it. But my feelings and fleshly mindedness can’t lead my emotions. Ultimately, I truly believe these issues would be solved if people truly turned to Jesus. That may sound arrogant, but truly knowing Jesus is worth the fight, no matter how difficult it may be. Additionally, there are people who kill them selves for many other reasons as well, but it comes back to the same issue of not knowing Jesus. They may know “of” him, but they may not truly know him.
Ultimately, it’s where we find our identity. We have all done shameful things in our past, and the enemy likes to bring them up by telling us that that’s who we are, and most of the time he wins, but if we are in Christ we are a new creation and our identity is in him! Yes, it’s probably painfully hard for a person to come out as gay, but if they surrender to Christ, they are no longer identified as a sinful homosexually, rather a child of God redeemed by the blood of Christ. But that’s only we we surrender and obey what his word says. Suicide is a very difficult thing, and I pray for those who are facing those struggles.
Well, you may feel differently as you have more life experiences.
I can promise that I won’t. That may sound prideful but it’s confidence in the Word of God. I’ll stand on God’s Word. I understand anxiety and suicidal thoughts. I have had severe anxiety for over 10 years and at times I thought that I couldn’t take it anymore, but Jesus was the ONLY one who made life worth living. Like I said, my feelings or “experiences” won’t determine my faith in God or how he thinks. But if you disagree, that’s not something I could make you change your mind about. Because my experiences may change, but the Word of our Lord lasts forever. And I’m so glad that I don’t have to rely on myself.
If my identity is truly in Christ, it won’t be swayed to in fro by the opinions of our culture. We are called to stand firm on the Word of God. Trust me, this isn’t how my flesh wants to feel if I’m being honest. But my spirit is guided by truth and is compelled to obey God and that must overcome my fleshy desires.
PGC: “If your were gay, you would defend it too!”
You just proved my point. You just said that the only way for me to defend homosexuality would be because of my own emotions and bias – rather than by the authority of God’s Word.
This man may come off very offensive to some, but his facts and statistics are on point. Transgender Debate